Speaking exclusively to FOREST Online, Oscar-winning playwright
Ronald Harwood, a 50-a-day smoker and a member of our
Supporters Council, talks to Marion Finlay
WHEN Oscar-winning playwright Ronald Harwood cancelled plans to
direct a play in Winnipeg last year because of Canada's
"draconian" anti-smoking laws, the response was overwhelming.
"I received more emails about that than over anything I've ever done
in my life!" he says. "From all over the world, these bloody
emails came, saying 'go for it'."
Harwood was due to restage one of his best-known plays The Dresser
in the chilly Canadian city. "The reason for going back on my word
[to direct the play] is that I am a cigarette smoker," Harwood told
the Winnipeg Free Press at the time. "I have recently
visited Canada and had to suffer the most draconian anti-smoking
regulations in restaurants and public buildings. I had no intention of
allowing myself to be forced out into the street in winter to partake of
one of my great pleasures."
Smoking is certainly one of Harwood's favourite pastimes. Safely
ensconced in his elegant - and warm - Kensington flat, surrounded by
artwork and books, Harwood puffs on one of 50 or so cigarettes he'll
consume that day. Sipping a cup of strong coffee - brewed from a machine
given to him by director Roman Polanski - he says, "I love the taste
of it. I think there is a drug effect that clears the head. And it's very
relaxing. There's a comfort in it. That's what I love about smoking - it's
very comforting."
Hypochondriacs
At 71, he says he isn't worried about his health. "I never read
medical articles - ever. They are a kind of obsession - columns for
hypochondriacs. You are going to die of something. Besides, I've had a
very good time and if I drop off the perch tomorrow it's fine."
But do you do anything to 'keep healthy'? "I used to play a lot of
tennis but I've got an arthritic ankle and can't play anymore. I was good
tennis player, loved it and used play twice a week. If the medical
establishment spent as much money on finding a cure for arthritis as they
do on anti-smoking campaigns, I would be dancing the light
fantastic."
What he IS worried about are increasingly virulent anti-smoking
campaigns. The unfailingly polite and gracious host suddenly becomes
angry. "I think it's a really anti-democratic movement because one of
the main aims of a social democratic government is to protect
minorities," he says. "Tobacco is not an illegal substance yet
they are persecuting a minority. And I think it's a disgrace in a social
democracy."
On the the growing anti-smoking movement he says: "It's sort of a
fascist impulse that's taken hold. Started in America of course. Actually
it started in Nazi Germany. The first government that tried to outlaw
smoking were the Nazis. And that tells you everything."
Persecution
Harwood's work often takes place in the years during and around the
Second World War. As an immigrant to Britain from South Africa in 1951,
whose Jewish family in Europe suffered anti-semitism, it's unsurprising
that he's sensitive to evidence of persecution and the vilification of
minorities.
His plays, screenplays and books usually have a moral dimension - from
Roman Polanski's film about the Holocaust The Pianist, for which
Harwood won his Oscar for Best Adapted Screenplay, his screenplay of Oliver
Twist, also directed by Polanski, to his adaptation of South African
novel Cry the Beloved Country.
His two new plays due to open in the West End this year - Collaboration
directed by Peter Hall and An English Tragedy directed by Michael
Blakemore - deal with conflicting loyalties involving country, family and
beliefs. And he's a former President of both English and International
PEN, the literary and human rights organisation.
Nightmare
Harwood's career takes him around the world and he has strong opinions
about smoking bans - or lack of. "I went for the press junket
in New York for the film Oliver Twist [in September 2005].
New York is the worst. I could smoke in my hotel suite but nowhere else.
But it was lovely weather that day, thank god. But in the winter it's a
nightmare! I was there for a play of mine two or three years ago and it
was vicious weather. And we had to stand outside and smoke because I can't
get through rehearsals without a cigarette. So it's pretty terrible in New
York.
"Los Angeles is fine because you can eat outside," he says.
"It's lovely weather. So I don't mind going to Los Angeles. But I
don't go to Canada anymore. I can't bear it." As for Ireland: "I
haven't been to Ireland lately. And I don't think I will."
He says that filming Oliver Twist in Prague was a
blissful experience. "It was wonderful. They don't smoke between
courses in restaurants, they smoke between mouthfuls." During the
actual filming he says: "You couldn't smoke on the studio floor but
you could smoke in the corridors. You don't want to smoke on the floor of
the studio because of the actors and coughing and all of that so you go
outside. It's fine. It's perfectly civilized and proper. And you could
smoke in anybody's dressing room.
Ridiculous
"In Paris you can smoke in any part of the restaurant. When I went
into a very, very expensive restaurant to celebrate something with my
wife, I asked if I could smoke and the response was 'of course' as if I
was asking the most ridiculous question, and they gave us the best table
in the house.
"And you can smoke cigars in Paris restaurants. My two French
producers who did The Pianist and Oliver Twist are
both cigar smokers, as is Roman Polanski, and they smoke in [French]
restaurants."
Harwood says he still finds London quite "civilised" though
is not looking forward to a smoking ban in restaurants. "A total ban
on smoking in restaurants is going to be tough on me because we go out a
lot. I don't understand it. Is smoking like incense and instead of
blessing the food it curses the food? I don't mind if they give us a
smoking section. I'll serve myself if they want me to."
Problems
Working in the West End has caused problems: "You can't smoke in
London theatres anymore," he says. "Even the actors in their
dressing rooms aren't allowed to smoke."
His play The Dresser was revived in London last year.
"The actor Nick Lyndhurst, who was playing the dresser, was always
outside," he says. "He's a smoker and we would go outside and
have a cigarette together. And if the actors wanted to talk to me, they'd
come outside."
For those who do find it genuinely unpleasant, what would be his
solution? "Go out of the room. Go outside when I'm smoking. At my
70th birthday in Claridges ballroom, I said to the guests, 'The
non-smokers, please, if you find smoking unpleasant please go outside
while we smoke.' And it got a huge laugh and a round of applause. And
nobody went outside, nobody minded."
What do you say to people who object to your smoking? "I say,
'What would you have said if Winston Churchill wanted to come to your
house?' Then they usually let me smoke."
Second hand smoke
As for pubs and restaurants: "Separate rooms or separate places
for smokers in public places is a fair solution if people find it so
offensive."
His opinion about secondhand smoke is: "I think the whole passive
smoking is rubbish, myself. It's been exaggerated because without passive
smoking the anti-smoking lobby wouldn't have a case. Passive smoking IS
the case.
"And it is extraordinary that the Government has recently extended
the drinking hours and closed down on smoking. I've yet to hear of anyone
who has killed another human being under the influence of a cigarette.
It's just incredible to me."
So why does he think the Government is so willing to accept the claims
of the anti-smoking lobby? "Because they think it's a popular cause.
Governments make decisions according to what they think is an acceptable
view. Very seldom do they do really unpopular things. And they now think
anti-smoking is part of the culture."
Margaret Thatcher
When Margaret Thatcher was prime minister he used to go to 10 Downing
Street for media and showbiz parties and dinners. "It was lovely in
Mrs Thatcher's day because Dennis Thatcher was a heavy smoker and there
were ashtrays and cigarettes everywhere," he says.
"I was once at a private dinner for about 12 and people smoked
throughout dinner and she didn't seem to mind at all. That was her life.
She had been brought up around cigarette smoke. And she ain't died of
passive smoking."
What about the argument that bar workers have to be protected?
"Find bar workers who smoke," he says. "It's like
anti-social hours. I remember J B Priestly saying to me, 'There are always
people who want to work during hours other people don't want to work in.
There are no such thing as anti-social hours.' Some people want to work at
night. And some people don't mind working in pubs that allow smoking.
Smoking rooms
"I think it's a fascist impulse. It has nothing to do with my
health. And it's nothing to do with the bar workers health. It's to do
their dislike of it.
"I wouldn't mind if they had a smoking room, which they used to
have in the old days. There used to be smoking rooms in private houses, in
Victorian times. You didn't smoke everywhere in houses. So if places
introduced smoking rooms where you could have a coffee after dinner
perhaps, I wouldn't mind that. But if they ban completely I think it would
be disgraceful.
"When I see a 'Thank you for not smoking sign' at restaurants, I
want to carry a sign saying 'Thank you for not wanting a tip'."
Hypocrisy
Harwood thinks there is a lot of hypocrisy in the medical
establishment about smoking. "My doctor asked me to give an after
dinner speech at a doctors' conference in Venice. When I went out on the
hotel balcony for a cigarette at the hotel, five of them joined me. One
was a senior oncologist at a big London hospital and he said, 'Don't tell
anybody' and puffed away.
"Another time, my wife and I were at the American Embassy's
residence at Regent's Park to say goodbye to the ambassador who we
happened to know. And he said, 'I'm sorry, you can't smoke here. It's
American property.' It was November and bitterly cold with the mist was
hanging over Regent's Park. So we went out onto the terrace, my wife and I
puffing away, and a woman joined us and asked for a cigarette. We were
chatting away and I asked, 'What do you do?' and she said, 'I'm a senior
consultant in anaesthetics'."
Human rights
Harwood is vexed that smokers haven't protested more about smokers'
rights being eroded. "What annoys me is that smokers have taken it so
passively. They have been guilty of 'passive protest'."
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